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Thomas Reilly's avatar

Thanks for the thoughtful comment.

I don’t think you’re correct that these are separate fields. Virology, microbiology and public health are branches of medicine and (in the UK anyway) are jobs done or led by medical doctors. Likewise, neuroscientists like Karl Deisseroth still actively work in clinical psychiatry. Medical research tends to be led by people who have medical degrees, I don’t consider that a separate field either.

Of all the people I mentioned, I’m not aware of anyactively leaving medicine to join a new field - akin to the example you gave of physicists moving into computer science.

I think progress is driven by people who are exceptionally talented rather than those who are average. If you are exceptionally talented, medicine provides an excellent opportunity to change the world (as per the examples I gave). I’d be interested to hear of a degree that offers better opportunities. But even average/mediocre physicians do a lot of good which I suspect is better than a mediocre graduate in say economics.

In terms of opportunity cost, in the UK medicine is a 5 year undergraduate degree so I don’t think this is a big cost compared to other degrees. This is a pretty good time investment with the opportunity to do great things for the exceptionally talented and for the average graduate provides a rewarding, well remunerated career with positive impact on the world.

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Nicholas Peterson's avatar

With all due respect, you're conflating pursuing a medical career with many other related but ultimately distinct professions. Like yes all the people you've mentioned were initially physicians and made big contributions, but that's not really a good argument that one should become a doctor initially just so they can eventually contribute to related but ultimately separate fields that aren't medicine like neuroscience and public health. In their contributions, they were working as neuroscientists, medical researchers or public health officers. Not denying that being a physician can be a fulfilling career on a personal level and that's totally valid and I respect that but that doesn't really change the facts around its impact.

If you're trying to make an argument on the grounds of accumulating career capital and whatever, I'm with you on that one and so is 80k cause yeah if you're young, probably focus on building career capital so people will take you seriously and when the time comes, being a doctor is a good way to show that you're a competent, respected person. But like, is it really the most sensible option to spend 6+ years of your life on medical school and residency for this purpose? Opportunity cost? If you think it's a particularly good for you or some other people personally fair enough! That's valid and I respect that.

Could domain knowledge from practicing medicine be potentially helpful in some of these pursuits? Yeah probably, but why would it be more helpful than other fields say bringing new perspectives from, say automated manufacturing, to the vaccine development space. Wouldn't that be more unusual and likely to result in novel ideas than another doctor considering that they are the obvious choice of external expert to have in the room?

Counterexample: Should one study Physics at the postgraduate level and become a Research Physicist for a few years to prove their technical aptitude because they eventually want to go into software engineering roles in tech? Seems like a very roundabout path without very many benefits over just straight up studying CS at the undergraduate level and doing that right away, generally speaking. I've heard arguments physics people on average are very good at AI alignment research, even moreso than CS people in some respects, but like which way does causation flow here?

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